Thursday, June 01, 2006

Aargh - part 1

So many things to crib about.....I'm actually bored at the thought of typing it all out.
But of course, the blog must not be neglected for too long, and special requests to update must be considered.
So here goes!

Discovered an annoying bunch of threads on the tifr community on orkut that disappoint, both with regards to the opinions being posted as well as the people these opinions are coming from. I guess I expect too much.

And then of course, I must share my delightful experiences from the bangalore 'vacation' , if i may use that word.

Predictably, the trip was crazy hectic. The purpose of the entire trip was for me to attend a first cousin's thread ceremony, and of course, I was made to attend two random weddings - the justification being ' Since you are in the city, it would come across as extremely rude if you chose not to attend these functions'.

I understand. It would be rude if the bride/bridegroom had any idea who I was.

Got to Bangalore on saturday evening, and spent close to two hours getting to my uncle's house. When I finally got there, grubby and exhausted, I was greeted by loads of partly-recognisable faces (I was seeing a few people after over five years), and walked from the door to the bedroom saying Hi! about forty times. It was decided (by my mum) that I would change into something more presentable for the pre-function family get-together, but I ditched the idea considering everyone had already seen me in my true grubbiness...

Over the years i've noticed that my extended family is getting increasingly fond of getting together. And such events are a lot more fun when there's alcohol and dancing involved. On this particular occasion, however, despite the free-flowing alcohol (that I stayed away from), the mood was sombre - my future had to be decided!
Was marriage more important than investing the five prime years of my life (that could be spent in making beautiful, healthy babies) in a PhD? Would I get any of the 'good' boys if I opted to look at the mature age of 28?
The debate raged on, and as you would've guessed, I wasn't the one asking these questions- Two grand-uncles were close to muscling it out over this issue- one who is a PhD himself, agreed with me when I said i couldn't possibly get married while in grad school, another believed that marriage was top priority - over everything else.

I left the room when it occured to me that at no point were they going to ask for my inputs- no questions on whether i was already making plans with someone else. The debate continued after my exit..

All of this within two hours of stepping into my uncle's house. I was bracing myself for the rest of the trip- it was bound to get worse.

More in my next post!
Oh, the monsoon has descended upon Bombay, in all it's fury. Waded through mud to get home yesterday. Not fun.

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Who said you can't get married while in grad school? I am aware of the notion of females planning to get on with an academic career and such, actually being advised to time having kids during their grad student life and be done with it, let alone being married.... primarily because, things would get a lot more hectic once you land a job as an asst.professor in the rush for tenure, etc.... even otherwise, being unmarried till 30 (or technically, say, not having a relationship) is not something one should actually plan for.

I don't think any sane person would dispute the fact that its not a gr8 idea to delay things to post PhD..... I know, its unfair because the situation is not the same for guys :) But thats the way it is, and its more of a biological fact than a social issue.... Even 30 is physiologically quite suboptimal for childbirth (for a woman, i.e.)

If you happen to be a hard core feminist who takes my comment negatively, then..... I guess I have nothing to say :)

roswitha said...

I feel your pain. Aaargh indeed.

RAVi said...

Uncles and Aunts who recognise you and whom you cannot place for all the money in the world. Happens all the time, coz I go down south less than once every five years, and then when you meet aunts who go, “you have grown so much since I last saw you…”, “yeah sure, you met me when? When I was 4! If I have not grown since then…” Argh…

Cheers all obnoxious relatives. You have a life don’t interfere in mine.

My 2 bits.

Cyberswami said...

hey, that wasn't so bad. i've seen that kind of thing done in my family too. It's merely an addition to the list of conversation topics. You know, armchair-politics, armchair economics, armchair-cricket, armchair-armchairs...

You could even called it amchi-politics ha ha snort.

Somebody starts it and it takes off. Unless crisis comes along (which in your case, I fear, didn't happen). More to come? Good good.

Nikhil Joshi said...

Firstly sorry once again for the orkut thing. but it will get better soon...I believe...we are not that bad, come on!

I believe in one thing. The best time to think of getting married is, when you find that "good" one and when you feeling going for it...your (both of you) instinct will give you a call, the correct time...rest all is secondary and can be adjusted more or less with mutual understanings :)...

uncle aur auts to chillate rahenge hi ...just check, if they don't have an eligible neighbour :P

V said...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all u need is a proper male! Not alphas, not betas either!

Now get out of this kind of dark comedy bfore it gets into cliche mode. Was there no time when u had fun at these weddings?!

Golu said...

I am not so sure if I agree with anon. On the contrary I have seen quite a few ppl in the US ditch PhD midway because the money wasn't enuf to sustain the family. Of course that was the case when only one member f the couple had funding.

I think if the guy and the girl are in the same univ and funded it makes sense, or rather if the couple have their colleges/workplaces nearby, it def makes sense to go ahead with marriage (if interested i.e :D). As for guy on east coast and girl on west coast types funda, I am not so sure


ALL THIS is assuming phds in the US :D Cant speak for other places

Anonymous said...

@anon 1

I believe I am sane and still dispute your fact.

If u hav chosen to get into an research career then marriage is surely a distraction; and considering the greater number of responsibilities falling on indian women, its surely not practical to juggle a PhD alongside.

Anyway its an individual decision altogether whether to get married in the first place or NOT.

& by the way getting married b4 28 is too early for a guy or girl in todays age.

Anonymous said...

Kates blog is now the official battleground for the pro and anti marriage before the age of 2x !!

reminds me of the tifr orkut community.

kate said...

whoa. one at a time..

anon1:
If you happen to be a hard core feminist who takes my comment negatively, then..... I guess I have nothing to say :)

As my friend Ros says, You say hardcore feminism like its a bad thing. I don't think it is, and you should reconsider that statement. If by hardcore feminism you mean militant feminism that involves Misandry and castrating rapists, i can assure you that I don't agree. I am a feminist,but i certainly don't hate men as a general principle..:D

even otherwise, being unmarried till 30 (or technically, say, not having a relationship) is not something one should actually plan for.
well, that's what life is about, right, unpredictablility. But I'm not going to get married and make babies before the age of 30 because i *Have* to- I'll do it when i want to.
as a biologist, i can assure you that having a baby till the age of 35 is not an issue. it's only after that age that the probability of having a natural, normal baby decreases- only slightly.

My dad's grandmum had a son and a grandson at the same time. They're both normal. and this was a looooong time back, so i wouldn't dismiss it as a modern 'western' influence.
The simple response to the comment is that You can't have everything- a flourishing scientific career, a family of your own, babies, etc. Its all about compromise- and I think that this is a decision that has to be made at an individual level- it's not for us to judge, criticise- at the most we can offer our opinion.

kate said...

ros: *hugs* i think you can step back in here and explain our point better than i can...

Ravi:
Cheers all obnoxious relatives. You have a life don’t interfere in mine.
see, i actually like my relatives. well, atleast some of them. I have issues when people are selectively concerned about me, in matters i'd rather make individual decisions about...

swami: more to come as far as irritating personal comments go. no time to update blog though...

nikhil, anon2: i guess we are all trying to make more or less the same point..

v:
Was there no time when u had fun at these weddings?!
weddings can be rather boring if you're expected to sit around and make polite conversation with junta. they are tonnes of fun when you're close to the folks getting hitched - i love being involved in cousins' weddings.

golu:
Cant speak for other places

i doubt it is any different.

anon3:
reminds me of the tifr orkut community.
please!

Anonymous said...

Neither did I say feminism is bad... the possibility of that implication only came from you :).... You could say I probably implied that a hard core feminist is more likely to see my comment negatively than the avg woman.

I was quite reasonable with my wording, I only used 'suboptimal'.... A quick google search would reveal that the suboptimality is indeed true....an ex: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2926897.html ..... how big a deal that is, is variable... and i agree it may not really be an issue till 35. Something is suboptimal does not mean its a disaster :)

Actually, I guess I said too much when I actually just meant to say this in my original comment: Life after phd is more hectic for academicians. Infact, the phd is like a warm up to the bigger tenure chase.... I'm not a female professor myself but I just told you what I heard from someone: that there are people with academic ambitions who actually plan things during the phd rather than after, because life 'after' simply gets even more hectic.... which should be evidence that its not so trivial to conclude that delaying marriage, etc to post phd is the optimal strategy for a flourishing career.

shruthi said...

hi this is Shruthi ur blog was very funny for a sec we thought that u r very studious but now we know what u do in bombay ha ha ha !!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder what on earth esp in this post, gave you evidence that she might not be studious!!!

Anonymous said...

The basic question; why does everyone need to get married?

The perpetual dilemma - do you want to get married just to get laid regularly?

Family wont fathom such ground realities :p

A

Anonymous said...

do u think one gets married only for sex ?? In that case one would be better off staying unmarried and getting laid with a new person every night.

Anonymous said...

@ Kate

Do u think u r studious ??

A Paper-plane Pilot said...

dont you go about listening to what Ph.D \ non Ph.D uncles have to say !

go girl :)

anonbuster said...

I genuinely believe that all the anons above except for anon1 are complete idiots and losers.... I bet they know it themselves :)

anonbuster said...

well, maybe most if not all

Anonymous said...

oops that includes me too...

Anonymous said...

of course it does :)

Anonymous said...

Ok so i admit that I am an idiot and I also admit that I am a lo...ser ? Now what ?

Anonymous said...

Its not for you since you already know it..... its for the others u loser

anonbuster aka anon1 said...

hey kate, any guesses on how many anonymice are haunting this blog?

Golu said...

@anonbuster: anonymice :)))))))))))) i dont know if that is an old joke but i sure loved it :D

passing-along-some-more said...

I just left a comment on your latest post reg. grad school applications, and stumbled onto this post, which prompted me to say, for a single girl , Manhattan definitely offers much much much promise than GA. :p. And to be honest, it is an important consideration. ;)