Sunday, May 14, 2006

Coincidence? I think not!

As I was re-reading The Goblet of Fire for the seventh time or so, I suddenly noticed a sentence suspiciously similar to an insult spat out by Edmund Blackadder at Baldrick, his dogsbody. The dig at Baldrick is one of my favourite blackadder lines, and has been my gmail signature for a while now, apart from contributing to my blog address.

Baldrick, you wouldn't recognize a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on a harpsichord singing 'subtle plans are here again'.


Ron, at the end of chapter 21, I think, makes an observation on Percy:


"Percy wouldn't recognise a joke if it danced naked in front of him wearing Dobby's tea-cosy."


Hmm....trickster-woman!

21 comments:

Cyberswami said...

"I have a cunning plan" is one of those immortal lines. Haha I think one of my favourite moments was when they are in a jail awaiting execution (I think this is the French Revolution episode with the Scarlet Pimpernel), and Baldrick has a 'cunning plan' to help them escape. Blackadder, very reluctantly, asks Baldrick what his plan is. Baldrick says, "We do nothing". Blackadder cannot contain himself and goes on for a few minutes about how spectacular this suggestion is, but is interrupted by Baldrick, who elaborates: "We wait until they actually cut our 'eads off. Then, like those headless chickens, we grab our 'eads and escape."
Blackadder's expression is priceless.

Oh, and I apologise for the length of this comment, but Blackadder is one of those things... I'm sure Rowling is a fan as well.

Voice Within said...

"Internalisation" is not a novelty, is it?

Anonymous said...

no

kray said...

@ cyberswami: =)))) that scene is TOOOO AAWESSOMEEE!!!! (do excuse the over-enthusiastic spelling :P)

wish they had Black Adder seasons here in the boat instead of the likes of The Sopranos :|

samudrika said...

......and then they accuse Kaayva of plagiarism.

Anonymous said...

samudrika: this is just one faint similarity... in kaavya's case, ppl had evidence of something like 20 odd cases of very similar sentence constructions... thats not a good comparison

imhunt said...

Hang Rowling, musn't we?

Cyberswami said...

rowling's influences are sometimes very clear. but there isn't any copying involved as such.

it is like saying oh because homer wrote in the iliad about troy any consequent mention of troy is plagiarising, especially since troy is probably mythological, and therefore homer's work fiction. nobody, but nobody, can write claiming to have no influences.

the debate will probably always be about ideas vs words. copying words is a definite no-no, but where is the line for copying ideas to be drawn?

kate said...

I think comparing Rowling's 'inspiration' to that of Kavya's is out of the question.
They are two very different things, and I wasn't implying that we should take away anything from JK Rowling's ability to put together an interesting story.

I was arguing with a friend who insisted that she had encountered this line on a couple of other occasions, and the Blackadder scriptwriters probably flicked it from somewhere too..:)
But then again, she's a pottermaniac, and got a bit upset when I reminded her that imitation was the most sincere form of flattery..:P

CantYouSee said...

"What is originality? Undetected plagiarism."
"Original thought is like original sin: both happened before you were born to people you could not have possibly met."

I copied these from here

Anonymous said...

hey kate, its not kavya....its kaaaaaavya :)

samudrika said...

When you write, some similarity creeps in, either from something that you have heard or read.

Of course what Kaavya did is deplorable and some sentences are exactly the same. I am not defending her. She has given 'desi' fiction a major setback.

Its like "Hullaballo in the guava orchard" and "100 days of solitude". i find a lot of similarity in these two novels - the eccentric characters, the blurring of line between real and fantasy etc. only the geographical setting is different.

where do you draw the line between inspiration and plaigarism?

Nessa said...

I like to call her Copy cat instead..

Anonymous said...

wonder where kate "copies" all her lines from ?? :)

Anonymous said...

why did you even get such a doubt?

Anonymous said...

Kate, btw I think infact u shd be flattered by that leg pulling commment: he/she thinks your writing is so good as to be worth a copy :)

Anonymous said...

@ Samudrika

How dare u say so ???

Anonymous said...

I think the above anonymous could be kate :)

Abhinav said...

lol.. well spotted.. and since we're having black adder reminiscences.. my favourite 'cunning plan' line is percy's in black adder 1 to get edmund out of a distasteful marriage -
"I go along to the Infanta's room and tell her that you've gone mad. She comes to the door, and you meet her disguised as a little pig. Then -- and this is the cunning bit -- instead of saying `oink oink', you say mooooo'!

there i went to the trouble of cutting and pasting and everything.
man i really should be working.

oook said...

And well if you've read Neil Gaiman's "The Books of Magic" we all know where the boy wizard with geek glasses comes from... :D

Pranav said...

Do you remember the line from the last page .. "and Hermione did something that she had never done before. She kissed Harry.."

Woman mislead me with this...

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